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		By: Phantasmix		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; &gt;&gt; The research papers tell you what your investment banker won’t&lt;/i&gt;

They may not even know themselves, not in such definite terms anyway. 

A friend of a friend is an investment advisor who *buys* and *holds* for his own account as well. No need to pay for that kind of advice.

I wonder what your relatives&#039; excuse will be in 5-10 years if they&#039;re still in the same place. People who invested 10 years ago are either flat or losing right now. That&#039;s some real evidence all of us can relate to.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> >> The research papers tell you what your investment banker won’t</i></p>
<p>They may not even know themselves, not in such definite terms anyway. </p>
<p>A friend of a friend is an investment advisor who *buys* and *holds* for his own account as well. No need to pay for that kind of advice.</p>
<p>I wonder what your relatives&#8217; excuse will be in 5-10 years if they&#8217;re still in the same place. People who invested 10 years ago are either flat or losing right now. That&#8217;s some real evidence all of us can relate to.</p>
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		By: TSS		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[No worries. It takes all kinds...

The research papers tell you what your investment banker won&#039;t; buy and hold doesn&#039;t work.  I am always faced with a friend or relative who tells me market timing doesn&#039;t work and that you have to be in it for the long run. When I ask them if they are up or down, it doesn&#039;t matter b/c they are brainwashed into thinking that 5 or 10 years from now it will be better. 

With Estrada &#038; Lebeau&#039;s work you have empirical data to support the market timing argument. More importantly, it will help keep your portfolio nicely in the black.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries. It takes all kinds&#8230;</p>
<p>The research papers tell you what your investment banker won&#8217;t; buy and hold doesn&#8217;t work.  I am always faced with a friend or relative who tells me market timing doesn&#8217;t work and that you have to be in it for the long run. When I ask them if they are up or down, it doesn&#8217;t matter b/c they are brainwashed into thinking that 5 or 10 years from now it will be better. </p>
<p>With Estrada &amp; Lebeau&#8217;s work you have empirical data to support the market timing argument. More importantly, it will help keep your portfolio nicely in the black.</p>
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		By: Phantasmix		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It started out so well! I was hoping to host and observe an intelligent discussion :)

Nipped in the bud, but I&#039;m keeping this research - summarized so nicely. Thank you, TSS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It started out so well! I was hoping to host and observe an intelligent discussion 🙂</p>
<p>Nipped in the bud, but I&#8217;m keeping this research &#8211; summarized so nicely. Thank you, TSS.</p>
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		By: TSS		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lara dear, there were 2 authors of 2 separate papers - Javier Estrada &#038; Charles Lebeau. 

Javier Estrada&#039;s paper covered 107 years of work:

&quot;The data presented in this study begins on December 31, 1899 and ends on December 31, 2006. In total the study encompasses 29,190 trading days.&quot;

Charles Lebeau&#039;s work covered 1 decades worth of material:

&quot;I recently directed a ten-year study of the stocks in the S&#038;P500 Index.&quot;

What I actually wrote:

&quot;//My very brief thoughts are that the original study by Estrada looked over 100 years of data. 
That would have included the panic of 07, 29, the 70’s, the 87 panic &#038; the 2000 crash along with all of the other bumps along the way. 
Lebeau’s paper only covered the last decade and only the tech crash of 00 - 02. 
I’m not sure how significant that is, if at all//&quot;

My mistake  was not clearly stating that the only bubble during Lebeau&#039;s study was the tech bubble as opposed to the numerous panics and bubbles during Estrada&#039;s study. I simply thought a parallel would be drawn in the readers mind. 

This isn&#039;t my blog, so I&#039;ll simply say it was my pleasure to bring you the data from both studies. I find it unfortunate that you chose a wrongly pointed ad hominem argument rather than discuss the merits of the study itself.

Good trading.

TSS]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lara dear, there were 2 authors of 2 separate papers &#8211; Javier Estrada &amp; Charles Lebeau. </p>
<p>Javier Estrada&#8217;s paper covered 107 years of work:</p>
<p>&#8220;The data presented in this study begins on December 31, 1899 and ends on December 31, 2006. In total the study encompasses 29,190 trading days.&#8221;</p>
<p>Charles Lebeau&#8217;s work covered 1 decades worth of material:</p>
<p>&#8220;I recently directed a ten-year study of the stocks in the S&amp;P500 Index.&#8221;</p>
<p>What I actually wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;//My very brief thoughts are that the original study by Estrada looked over 100 years of data.<br />
That would have included the panic of 07, 29, the 70’s, the 87 panic &amp; the 2000 crash along with all of the other bumps along the way.<br />
Lebeau’s paper only covered the last decade and only the tech crash of 00 &#8211; 02.<br />
I’m not sure how significant that is, if at all//&#8221;</p>
<p>My mistake  was not clearly stating that the only bubble during Lebeau&#8217;s study was the tech bubble as opposed to the numerous panics and bubbles during Estrada&#8217;s study. I simply thought a parallel would be drawn in the readers mind. </p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t my blog, so I&#8217;ll simply say it was my pleasure to bring you the data from both studies. I find it unfortunate that you chose a wrongly pointed ad hominem argument rather than discuss the merits of the study itself.</p>
<p>Good trading.</p>
<p>TSS</p>
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		By: Lara		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aahem!  Nice one! 

 1899 to 2006 is not exactly a decade.  it&#039;s 107 years, or about ten decade and 7 years  :-)

&quot;Lebeau’s paper only covered the last decade and only the tech crash of 00 - 02. I’m not sure how significant that is, if at all&quot;

 good job !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aahem!  Nice one! </p>
<p> 1899 to 2006 is not exactly a decade.  it&#8217;s 107 years, or about ten decade and 7 years  🙂</p>
<p>&#8220;Lebeau’s paper only covered the last decade and only the tech crash of 00 &#8211; 02. I’m not sure how significant that is, if at all&#8221;</p>
<p> good job !</p>
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